Comments on: Hamlet: ‘To Be Or Not To Be, That Is The Question’ https://nosweatshakespeare.com <strong><a href="/">Modern Shakespeare</a></strong> resources, <strong><a href="/sonnets/">sonnet translations</a></strong> & lots more! Wed, 06 Sep 2023 04:39:40 +0000 hourly 1 By: Candy Crush https://nosweatshakespeare.com/quotes/soliloquies/to-be-or-not-to-be/comment-page-9/#comment-3000570 Wed, 06 Sep 2023 04:39:40 +0000 http://nss.andymarciniak.com/quotes/hamlet-to-be-or-not-to-be/#comment-3000570 I suppose you could make the argument that Hamlet was justified in his decision for revenge, but it went badly, because life is messy. I would argue that while life is messy, Shakespeare is not, and his clarity of vision and expression are fraught with intentionality.

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By: RD https://nosweatshakespeare.com/quotes/soliloquies/to-be-or-not-to-be/comment-page-9/#comment-2999605 Tue, 11 Jul 2023 11:51:53 +0000 http://nss.andymarciniak.com/quotes/hamlet-to-be-or-not-to-be/#comment-2999605 In reply to DramaFan.

With respect I think you have said literally nothing in all that. Get specific. If you think 2B is a soliloquy, what does he say that so desperately needs a special channel of communication to the audience and requires us to imagine the Ophelia can’t hear him despite being literally in his way and the spies can’t hear him despite having located themselves precisely in order to do so? Do you not think it’s possible that our failure to pin down what he says is related to our assumption that it’s a soliloquy?

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By: Jenny https://nosweatshakespeare.com/quotes/soliloquies/to-be-or-not-to-be/comment-page-9/#comment-2997739 Fri, 21 Apr 2023 15:51:30 +0000 http://nss.andymarciniak.com/quotes/hamlet-to-be-or-not-to-be/#comment-2997739 In reply to George.

Both words are of Proto-Germanic origin, and Proto-Celt along with Proto-Germanic are considered to be of Indo-European in origin. Which is different than being Latin in origin. I would assume that perhaps they made an error in mentioning they were Celtic in origin instead of Germanic.

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By: DramaFan https://nosweatshakespeare.com/quotes/soliloquies/to-be-or-not-to-be/comment-page-9/#comment-2996846 Thu, 20 Apr 2023 05:06:51 +0000 http://nss.andymarciniak.com/quotes/hamlet-to-be-or-not-to-be/#comment-2996846 In reply to RD.

With respect, Shakespeare, while complex, is not inscrutable. The idea that nobody knows what this means, and we can’t know what this means – is perhaps not the best way to read Shakespeare, or anything else for that matter. Shakespeare wrote plays that were meant to be seen, experienced, understood and thought deeply about. That every generation since has done this, is why he is loved, and is why he is believed to be the best to ever put pen to paper.

It seems to me that the original author might benefit from another possibility. Namely, that the question for Hamlet is not just contemplating his own life, but whether or not to directly avenge the murder of his father. To be, or not to be, is, “to avenge” or “not to avenge” which Hamlet (perhaps mistakenly) conflates with his life and existence.

If that holds, he feels that if he does not act, then his life and existence are meaningless. Everything, for Hamlet, has reduced to this moment and this singular choice.

In this mindset, the choice becomes framed as a choice to live or not live, because that is how deeply he feels compelled to act. You could argue that he is rationalizing revenge to be an act that his very life and meaningful existence depend on. When put that way, it’s not a choice at all. He must be. He must act.

The problem is, that this isn’t true. He isn’t faced with a real binary choice in this way. He has options. Hamlet could forgive. He could walk away and forge another life in exile. He could build evidence and try to make a case for private, or even public support against the king. He could raise an army and stage a coup. He could live quietly and wait out the king’s eventual mortality. There are lots of other possibilities that could be framed.

Now, those may seem like feckless choices in the face of great injustice. But imagine what would happen to society if everyone made Hamlet’s choice in every situation. If we, took the direct handling of revenge, even arguably just revenge, into our own hands – it is Hatfield and McCoys forever, with blood in our homes and in our streets. It never stops. I would argue that history clearly teaches us that revenge almost always spills outside or our control and ends up hurting people that weren’t initially involved. Hamlet made the wrong choice and it destroyed him, his family and a lot of innocent people.

Shakespeare is brilliant and complex, and my goodness can he write the most trivial detail in the most beautiful and compelling way. But on another level, he is super simple in terms of bigger picture understanding. The question to help us understand Shakespeare (especially in the tragedies) is this: read the basic events like a child would; namely what is the result of the choices made?

Macbeth – a lot of death and chaos. Is that good or bad? Bad. It may be that Shakespeare’s larger message is that MacBeth and Lady MacBeth made wrong choices in handling ambition.
Romeo and Juliet – double suicide by teen / pre-teen couple over a misunderstanding. Wrong choices in handling personal romance.
Hamlet – literally everyone but a single survivor dies. Wrong choices in handling revenge and societal injustice.

The “to be or not to be” monologue is showing us how Hamlet goads his own thinking into unalterable action and shows us the setting of his will onto a path that will be incredibly destructive.

Our author here, would set this up as a choice to commit suicide (not to be), or not, and the right answer would necessarily be to live (to be). The problem is, this doesn’t fit with the play, or the outcome of the play. Hamlet is not choosing to refuse suicide in a narrative vacuum. Hamlet choosing to live, also results in the death of a lot of other people. In the narrative, his choosing to live is tightly tied to the execution of his revenge. And he dies anyway.

I suppose you could make the argument that Hamlet was justified in his decision for revenge, but it went badly, because life is messy. I would argue that while life is messy, Shakespeare is not, and his clarity of vision and expression are fraught with intentionality.

And that his insight, when apprehended, leads us to see the ripple of truth and the wisdom of his subject in the real world as well, in ways which are useful and virtuous when rightly understood.

My read would be that the right answer, according to Shakespeare, is to “not be”, leaving direct vengeance to God while pursuing justice as best we can through other means.

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By: malcolm harrison https://nosweatshakespeare.com/quotes/soliloquies/to-be-or-not-to-be/comment-page-9/#comment-2993159 Sat, 17 Dec 2022 06:27:10 +0000 http://nss.andymarciniak.com/quotes/hamlet-to-be-or-not-to-be/#comment-2993159 In reply to RD.

I agree with these comments. I am not satisfied with either the analysis of the writer nor with the later comment that Hamlet is a weak ‘cry baby’ It is a reflective speech not one seeking a decision. He is not choosing, he is considering the inherent options, and we can generally agree with them, although in these more secular days it is the obliteration of life and subsequent oblivion that stays our hand at self-slaughter rather than some post mortem reality. An although it is legitimate to infuse a Christian flavour to Shakespeare’s use of the word ‘conscience’, I dont choose to see the use of that word as implying ‘sin’, more an attempt to avoid making an ill informed and incorrect decision, which in fact is the inherent problem Hamlet faces throughout the play. Is his uncle really guilty, is the spirit of his father benign or demonic, and all the other questions he is constantly asking. From the writer’s point of view, these questions are the tactics he chooses to use to delay the outcome. Hamlet after all is a revenge tragedy, and must needs therefore delay the resolution of the problem posed by his father’s death. Those, like one of the above commentators, who see the whole play as a series of vacillations, are also people I am sure who have never had to kill a member of their own family to avenge the murder of another.

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By: RD https://nosweatshakespeare.com/quotes/soliloquies/to-be-or-not-to-be/comment-page-9/#comment-2992443 Wed, 23 Nov 2022 11:00:28 +0000 http://nss.andymarciniak.com/quotes/hamlet-to-be-or-not-to-be/#comment-2992443 Not a bad summary but some mistakes. 1) The first line is not a chiasmus: in a chiasmus, as you correctly illustrate, each part has two elements and they swap places. 2) Hamlet is not debating whether HE should continue to be as the speech is completely impersonal. 3) The idea that he is depressed, and indeed that the speech is a soliloquy, are guesses supported only by post-Renaissance sentimental theatrical tradition, which has sentimentalised the character. Neither you nor anyone else has found a clear meaning in the speech, and since we don’t know what he’s saying we don’t know why he says it. Moreover, the utter impersonality and detachment of the speech suggest rather that it is NOT a soliloquy.

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By: John W Rufus https://nosweatshakespeare.com/quotes/soliloquies/to-be-or-not-to-be/comment-page-9/#comment-2992068 Mon, 10 Oct 2022 00:05:21 +0000 http://nss.andymarciniak.com/quotes/hamlet-to-be-or-not-to-be/#comment-2992068 I gotta memorize this for AP English and man I HATE IT!!! Hamlet needs to stop being a little crybaby and just DO IT already!!!!!

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By: Karen R Todorov https://nosweatshakespeare.com/quotes/soliloquies/to-be-or-not-to-be/comment-page-9/#comment-2987818 Fri, 13 May 2022 14:27:05 +0000 http://nss.andymarciniak.com/quotes/hamlet-to-be-or-not-to-be/#comment-2987818 Thank you, it was as much as I wanted and not more than I needed.

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By: doubting Murray https://nosweatshakespeare.com/quotes/soliloquies/to-be-or-not-to-be/comment-page-9/#comment-2975691 Fri, 04 Mar 2022 23:40:18 +0000 http://nss.andymarciniak.com/quotes/hamlet-to-be-or-not-to-be/#comment-2975691 Or, as the ancient Greeks had it; ‘ the greatest gift the gods have given to man is that he may end his life when he will’.
But I prefer ‘ eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die’; 91 soon so each day is a bonus.
Wouldn’t be dead for quids !

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By: JHL https://nosweatshakespeare.com/quotes/soliloquies/to-be-or-not-to-be/comment-page-9/#comment-2968328 Wed, 02 Feb 2022 02:04:32 +0000 http://nss.andymarciniak.com/quotes/hamlet-to-be-or-not-to-be/#comment-2968328 This is where Albert Camus gets the opening lines of “The Myth of Sisyphus.” He writes, The whole question of philosophy is the question of suicide.

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